By any chance can anyone give me some input on what they're favorite or what the best audio recording software is? I've heard good things about pro tools and adobe audition.
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By any chance can anyone give me some input on what they're favorite or what the best audio recording software is? I've heard good things about pro tools and adobe audition.
Doesn't matter what the best program is. All it comes down to is how well you can use it.
in terms of what? it's all subjective.
lmao at adobe mentioned in the same breath as pro tools though we're talking about a program that died out a long time ago vs the industry standard.
In terms of editing pro tools is the best once again my opinion is subjective i've heard people say sonar is better but hey i'm not windows person. Some people stand by nuendo some by cubase
find what easier to use for you and compliments your work flow
and no daw makes your quality better so in terms of whats better and whats not once again it's all subjective
my favorite word of the day is subjective
for recording, editing, mixing, etc. U heard tru, Protools has complete solutions. Audition and cooledit are shit too, but their depth cannot be compared to protools. But frankly, it dosen't matter that much which software u use.- i use nuendo
It all depends on what your needs are. If you're rapping over a beat you downloaded to post up on the net then go with a free solution. Garage Band on Mac. Reaper or Audacity on Windows.
If you have real aspirations to learn how to record and mix well enough to use your material for demos and albums then dive into Pro Tools or Cubase. If you're buying recording equipment then get an M-Audio interface and Pro Tools. If you already have a good interface then go with Cubase. Unless you plan on taking your sessions to a real studio. Then you definitely want Pro Tools.
If you're looking to make beats then you might like something completely different. I prefer Pro Tools for all purposes, but Logic on the Mac is very powerful too. Sonar or FL Studio are popular on the PC. People that record a lot of live MIDI tend to flock toward Logic or Sonar. FL Studio is designed more like a beat machine which is why a lot of people like it for sampling. Also Reason is used a lot on Mac & PC. It's designed to feel more like using rack gear. The downfall of reason is that you can't use 3rd party plugins. But because of that it loads and runs faster than anything else.
meh at laughing at audition in comparison to protools. both do stuff better than the other, same as any audio program, all have a different workflow and features/limitations which is down to individual preference.
tis the reason why i said subjective so much
I can't help but wonder what Audition does better than Pro Tools. Load faster? That's all I can think of.
I just wish protools could be used with other stuff. And why is it that it only works with didgidesign and m-audio stuff anyway?
i suppose "better" is subjective, its just how that program works for you. Personally i find editing "better" in audition, its the best ive used on any daw ive tried, but then i hate its midi, i love cubses midi and beat making bundled software but didnt get along with its windows, i found protools limited somewhat compared to other full daws, ie track counts,
out of all the daws ive tried (cubase, protools, reaper, audition, sonar) audition has suited me better thus far, thats all there really is to it
What specifically is better about the editing? You're the first person I've ever heard say that. Most people switch to PT and can't believe how much better the editing is.
I find it hard to believe that you're using more than 48 audio tracks too. OR own a computer that can even handle mixing more than 48 audio tracks. All this considering I have a Xeon workstation with Mac Pro specs that can't do this. And that I record 5+ piece bands and don't run out of tracks.
I'm not trying to argue. I'm just trying to understand how you're using your software.
wow if you use that many tracks man
same here i've tracked 5 piece bands as well and haven't run out of tracks.
avid owns digidesign and m-audio and they want you buy only their stuff not to hard of a concept. There are companies like apogee and lynx that have ways around it but alas it's only at the HD level and even then you still have to buy the core card from digi
Also, they're a hardware company first. They made the software to ship with their hardware. The concept is that it's more stable to run a closed platform program that only works with approved hardware (ie Macs being more stable than Windows PCs).
And at first, they only sold HD gear which has built in DSPs that works with the software to not use the computer's processing power or memory to run plugins. The HD hardware is where they make their big money. All the other versions are an extension of that.
My take on this is that M-Audio makes the best hardware anyway.
true i'm happy with m-audio. i'd buy apogee for a HD rig though
Oh heeeelllllll yea. That would be the shit! I couldn't even afford those TDM plugins even if I could afford the hardware tho :(
i dont always run out of audio tracks, but ive used nearly 60 before, its just having the option really...i might have 20 instruments and 5 vocal stacks for each verse, then 5 stacks for the chorus, on top of dubs, ad libs, intros, sound effects, anything else i want....yeh i know i can bounce bits down and mess around etc...
but thats not how i always work^
im experimenting with my own production
but limited track count vs unlimited is a no brainer imo
like i said tho its just preferance and audition i started out on so its just easy to me, if i put the same time into another daw i would probably prefer that, all im saying is audition can get the job done just as well as any other imo.
i mean i bought cubase and reasoned that the learning curve was too steep and what was i actually gaining? so i sold it
60!? wtf...for what? Think the most I've used is 10-12.
Ok, first of all... And I don't mean to sound condescending, but making a statement that Audition has better editing than other programs should only be made if you know how to use said programs. I know pretty much every mainstream program out there aside from Sonar. The editing in Cubase and Pro Tools is mindblowingly better. You just have no idea what better editing is because you have no frame of reference. Audition doesn't even have a tempo grid. Not being able to lock your session into a grid makes editing a huge pain in the ass. That's just one example. My take is that either you're not doing any advanced editing or you have no idea how much time and effort you're wasting trying to fight Audition. If you're comfortable with what you use then cool, but saying what you use is better when you don't know how to use anything else is highly inaccurate.
Secondly, there's no way that you need 60 audio tracks. What are you recording to need that many tracks? You'd have to be wasting tracks to use that many tracks on hiphop songs. You're recording 20 instruments in a song?? How do you even have that many instruments at your disposal??
Let me put it this way... When you pay $100+ an hour to record at a pro studio, they typically have 48 channels on their million dollar large format console. If you need more channels than a major studio uses just for audio tracks alone, not to mention your midi tracks, fx sends, busses etc then you're doing something way wrong. I really want to hear the songs that you record using all these tracks. It's very mind-blowing to me to hear a hip hop artist say he uses 60 audio tracks lol. Like I said, I record 5 piece bands and produce my own music. I've never used that many tracks in a session. And that includes midi, aux, and master tracks. Not just my audio tracks that I've never hit my 48 track limit on either.
And limited vs unlimited is not a no brainer. Pro Tools limits the tracks to the amount of I/Os that a computer can actually handle. And if you happen to own a $5-10k workstation that can handle more then they let you double your track count. Or you can get a Pro Tools HD system that can handle unlimited tracks because it uses it's own dsp instead of the power and memory from the pc.
All this ensures a more stable system that won't crash because you ran out of resources by doing things like adding too many tracks.
For hip hop production I probably use close to that if I don't record live drums. 3-5 guitar tracks, 1 bass track, 3-7 vocal tracks, maybe a couple percussion or random instrument tracks. So at the very most, 15 without a drum kit or about 20 or so with a drum kit. But a typical beat maker that doesn't do live recording would rarely have ANY audio tracks aside from vocals or a sample loop.
For bands, I'll easily have 24 audio tracks. Most likely more if it's a 5 piece.
scratch that lol, why am i defending myself, i originally said audition is better to me and that it was a preferance, i`ll stick with that. If there comes a time when i feel limited ill look to another software im sure.
meh
but just to clear it up, 60 tracks would include all the instruments bounced down to wav from reason, plus vocals, buses, sends, etc.
and no thats not a normal amount, it might be around 30
I said whatever works for you. But you're giving advice. You're not stating that you like audition because it's what you know.
I don't care if you use windows sound recorder. But don't say it's better if it's all you know. This section of the site isn't for dropping posts just to share an opinion. This section is educational. So if you can't back your opinion with some substance then I'm going to make sure that people put your opinion into the proper perspective.
I don't know why you can't see the flaw in saying something is the best when you don't know how to use anything else. It's no different than someone saying their $50 mic sounds great because it's the only mic they've ever owned.
Not only that, you're stating uneducated facts about the other software. You're painting a picture that a watered down program is better than a full featured professional program. First by saying you like it better when you don't even know how to use anything else. You can't even point out specifically what's better about it. No substance whatsoever. Then you point out so called flaws in other programs that you don't even understand.
There isn't a 48 track limit in Pro Tools. There's a 48 AUDIO track limit. You can have as many midi tracks or aux tracks to add fx or rewire from other programs as you want. In PT, audio tracks are tracks where you record and play actual audio files. And each one of those tracks have an unlimited amount of playlists to record different takes and comp performances etc. You can't even do this in other programs so you wouldn't know how it works unless you actually use PT. Understandable, but that's why you don't try to educate someone about something that you're clueless about.
I tried not to argue. I gave you chances to explain your point of view. And I tried to be nice about it. But I'm not going to let anyone in this forum feed people false information. And I'm going to make sure that people are able to put everyone's opinions in context.
You like Audition. Great. A lot of people do, and for good reason. It's simple and easy to bootleg. But until you actually know how to use something else, you have no idea if it's better than anything. Sorry. I'm not arguing. I'm stating the facts so people can make educated decisions. That's what this forum is for. Not having an opinion for the sake of having an opinion.
:Vanja:
after working a session last night i hate the digital format all together. Yes it's easy to edit, you can fuck up your punch in and out points and still not ruin the session but digital zero still fucking sucks especially when the artist is not seasoned so he get randomly dynamic and starts getting louder and clips the shitload plus or gets too soft, plus i hate using any dynamic processing to tape. But if we were using analog tape i would give a flying fuck scream for all i care get some sex tape compression
*saves money for studer 827*
lmao @ 20 instruments
Shiet, actaulyl what are some good techniques when tracking though, because sometimes when my bois record he clips the metre red on my interface just for like a word or 2. But when I play it in the program it never sounds distorted....
That's why I track around -20dB. You're not yelling loud enough to clip. You can also use a tube compressor before you go into the DAW to get the same analog effect you're used to getting.
i did used a LA2A
which is my go to vocal compressor
Hit the compression harder I guess.
Or grow some balls and ride the fader better hoe!
FUCK YOU i went from the inserts to the LA2A out the LA2A straight to pro tools
i got another session with the dude so i'll probably ride faders next time
Trust me, -20dB into PT with a little compression. You have plenty of headroom. Use it to your advantage.
i know man i felt obligated to come in hotter because of his m3 beats that were raging loud i didn't want him to go home with the pt file and think wtf why am i so soft
I would turn all the tracks down to match like they should be. If the client can't grasp the concept then I'd just normalize the vocals afterward to send the session home with him.
I don't like how aa3 tube compressor sounds, don't know if all of them sound like that. But just want spanja said, sometimes he goes quit then loud, or sometimes he stand farther or closer to the mic. But as far as clipping goes it really makes no sense to me. I have to turn down my mics volume on the interface a little less than half when he raps. And when I go in I can rap loud as fuck, alomst yelling presence and I'm only @ half, just a little more than he is. And his voice will clip and not mine. lol
i tried to keep keep everything at nominal so what he heard is what he got when he takes it home. I'd record softer if i was actually mixing the tune myself plus i wanted to put my evil stamp on it before it gets to the mix engineer if he has one which i doubt.
Lmao at plug in compressor. we're talking about real hardware tube compressor lmao at comparing an audition plug in to something like the la2a
but anyways the clipping thing could be because he has a lower voice, low end energy chews up more headroom
Shhh. yeuh, maybe. Seemed pretty weird to me. Or does this happen when your engineering. The guy will rap real fast, but then when you play it through your program its alot slower, but still sounds good an on beat.
and also opey, I want to look @ your masterring tutorials. How would I look it up, type your name and masterring into google? or what.
Search this forum. I don't post on any other site.
Turn the preamp down. Who cares if it's half way down. Turn it as low as you need. My pre is never even half way up when I record vocals.
If he's doin shit like moving all around the mic or getting real loud and real soft then tell him to fix it. An artist has to know how to record. When you get loud you move away from the mic. When you get lower you move closer.
dude you start off with a mature discussion, there proceed to get more condescending with each post
ive already said ive used protools, sonar, reaper and cubase...i then said audition has better editing, i also said better is subjective and thats my personal preferance. how is that false information? its what the conclusion ive drawn from my own personal experience and to be quite frank i could give a fuck less if you disagree, but at least have some respect for others
i seriously have no idea why you always have to put people down, this forum might as well be called the opey forum and fuck everybody else.
i know my audio knowledge isnt close to yours but please dont make me out to be retard for having an educated opinion
and im quite aware its 48 audio tracks, dont twist what i said...i said i once used more than 48 tracks... i bounced files from reason to wav.
it wasnt even my intention to knock 48 tracks, i initially said audition and protools can each do things better than the other and merely pointing to an example.
as for talking about watered down, whats m powered if not a watered down version of hd? the like of cubase and sonar are far more complete than protools m powered unless you like throwing money at standard features of other daws.
whatever tho, this wasnt intended to knock any daw or start you off on a legendary im above you mortal rants but for your info cubase can comp takes just fine, so none of us know everything do we mr smarty pants
and lol, fuck off i just realised i got angry at you again, you wind me up man